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Scott Kiley's avatar

Incredible work Sayer.

Dawn's avatar
Sep 2Edited

This Governor MUST have financial skin in the game or this would not be happening. Oh, GOD HELP US🙏🙏🙏🙏PLEASE RESCUE THESE Beautiful AMISH PEOPLE.

Astragale's avatar

Shapiro apparently got a big Pharma donation a few weeks before he cried: “Measles!”

Perry Simms's avatar

Every shapiro should enjoy the blessings of mandatory Zionism.

Lynn's avatar

I just called US Senator David McCormick. Everybody needs to bombard his office with phone calls to save the AMISH. Call the DC office first.

denise ward's avatar

The problem is endemic so long as we fail to address the cause of it all. The cause is this - the relinquishment of sovereignty. Sovereignty is relinquished when people need a "governor" like they are little adults needing a chaperone.

dave's avatar

Huxley was familiar with the Fabian plans (his brother was a eugenicist and founder of UNESCO)

“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”

― Aldous Huxley

Sayer Ji's avatar

Such an important quote.

dave's avatar
Sep 2Edited

Here's another by CS Lewis. He and his friend Tolkien were all over these guys and were trying to warn people...

"Ferum victorem cepit: and if the eugenics are efficient enough there will

be no second revolt, but all snug beneath the Conditioners, and the Conditioners

beneath her, till the moon falls or the sun grows cold."

From "The Abolition of Man"

Astragale's avatar

Personally, I’ll run barefoot into the hills rather than ever cede to any of their injections or the propaganda BS that goes with them.

I live in an EU country where a panel discussion during Covid floated the idea of forcibly injecting people. Literally sending armed police to the homes of those who didn’t have vaxx QR Codes in the database, dragging us outside & forcing the junk into our arms.

Nope.

And NOPE.

denise ward's avatar

We need to inform the police that they act as the banksters henchmen if they do this to their own "class". The police will soon be made to succumb too especially now with "robot dogs". Our mission should be outreach to these ordinary people who go around thugging their own kind.

Morris's avatar

Our mission now, should be to stop rearing children that will "follow" orders to do this to their own citizens! You don't see Amish children growing up to become tyrants and thugs that trample on the god given rights of citizens. Where do these "henchmen" and "boot lickers" for a paycheck come from? I can offer some clues, if you wish. Thank you Denise, we need to remember that we and our local law enforcement officers have the final word. You rightfully reminded everyone. Unfortunately, we needed that reminder! The "Augsburg Confession" explains this.

denise ward's avatar

Morris, we can't expect our children to do it. We are the ones who have to do it because we made it, they didn't. We have to demonstrate to them how it's done. We can't just palm it off on someone else, let alone our innocent children. However I appreciate you accepting that we have to figure this out, how do tyrants get made, why does everyone whore themselves for a paycheck. These are great starting points for discussion. This is a time of discussion - tyrants don't like that. They want "social distancing", mouth bridles and obedience. We know that they give us the signal to do the opposite. Just do the opposite - get closer to each other, speak freely, and follow your own drum (ie: don't obey anything you don't want to)

I know nothing about the Augusburg Confession and would love to hear your take on it. We can use this forum to edify each other and other readers who may be interested.

Morris's avatar

Denise, I happened upon your response enroute to something else I'm busy with so I can't stay but a second. I just know how easy we can lose track of important discussions at times. Please forgive my oftimes hard to understand sarcasm. It seems that's all I have left to share on certain subjects dear to my heart. This is one of those subject matters. I'm a man of unapologetic faith and think it only fair to preface that. If my honest understanding of that faith were to find a place in today's society I truly believe that it would more than suffice in meeting the needs of a world gone mad. It seems to me there have been very powerfully protective circles of dimensional security built into the very design we have been given pattern to follow but hardly ever do we follow with understanding. The circles of security can be labeled and defined and studied but they seldom are anymore. I never meant that we should pass any responsibility on to the backs of our children. I simply was trying to point out the fact that the tyrants and corrupt politicians, and false clergy, not to mention the deviants and other such ilk, were indeed once "children" themselves. It seems we don't accept responsibility for what we are rearing through the present modes of education and social examples. It simply has not worked and we are not willing to humbly admit our mistakes and worse yet, we will not permit anyone who does to achieve their goals without much resistance. I know, I was a homeschooler through the 80s who paid the price trying to make change. The children are behaving as adults exactly how we should have expected them to. We must humbly accept responsibility for our demise and teach our children to do better is all I wanted to convey. But we are not doing this. The handful who are should press even harder than ever to come out of the Babylonian system and press in closer to like-minded communities of faith, learn to do for ourselves what we have too long now given to others to do for us. My "second" is long used. Excuse the pitiful punctuation but I am out of time. ps The Augsburg Confession is important for police officers to understand.

Claudia Pennisi's avatar

May I ask which country you live in?

I believe that when robotics are more sophisticated, a robot will enter your home, if we still have one, and vaccinate you by force.

denise ward's avatar

Only if we let that scenario take shape. We need to be active now and go in another direction, a direction that will bring about the world we would love to live in.

Claudia Pennisi's avatar

Most people are asleep and uninformed.

However, I know that this should not stop us from waking everyone up, and educating them.🙅‍♀️

denise ward's avatar

This is a common blockage to our thinking, this idea that there are so many who are still asleep. That is quite correct, however we need to approach it from another direction or we will feel defeated before we even get started! Another way to see it is that all you can do is within your own "sphere", with the people you are in contact with. Speak up at the dinner table, even if it's only just a little uncomfortable for everyone else. We are too chicken to make others uncomfortable. In normal cases that's fine, but too much is at stake now to pander to their denial. Leave leaflets all over the place to help spread wisdom or knowledge. The important thing to do right now is to work within your sphere and do the best you can there. I know it is tough as I work with this too. It's not that we shouldn't work outside our sphere, like in the big world, but if we are not doing so within our sphere, then it will all amount to naught. And pass on to others that they must work within their sphere as well and seek people who want knowledge and growth. In this way, we stay small but numerous and then we win.

Claudia Pennisi's avatar

I agree that we must be proactive in informing others.

My circle has become very small, I am physically unable to go on the ground.

This is not an excuse but my present reality.

If you would like to you can read a partial testimony on my account.

dave's avatar

us for right now

Olde school's avatar

This is the attitude we all need to overcome. Dignity and self respect. How dare we just lie down have some dignity

tRuth's avatar

Here in England, we lost a Fabian PM to bring in yet another. No vote required. Then we have the 'not' Windsors plus the House of Lords.

We pray!

grahamlyons's avatar

And the UK's "ruling Establishment" is riddled, not only with Fabians, but also with paedophiles & satanic ritual abusers. Look up Alex Thomson reading the RAINS List. It takes him an hour...and that is just for southern England. And the worst are awarded the highest "honours", e.g. Savile, Heath, Blair...

tRuth's avatar

Livestream 7.30pm BST, Thursday, 3rd September:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fpHbdcPNltI&ra=m

EDIT: Blair discussion 👆

END EDIT

I narrowly escaped one of the predators off the highest order as a 12yr old on Guide camp; Long story, but i feel, my father was given a horrible end to his life, 8 months later.

Spent a lifetime (almost) wondering what the heck, even after a close friend, who had appeared on ToTP numerous times, told of 'everyone knows'.

Then in my 50's, a friend, who always said, 'Her late wealthy Auntie, left her everything!' Eventually revealed who she was cousin of; this explained to me why she moved house every 6 months to 2yrs max, changed phone number every 4-6 months, never worked, had it all. Relocated, for her protection, along with new name. One of this lands, now deceased, notorious entities.

I'm familiar with the list!

Reptiles, lizards, all of them.

grahamlyons's avatar

"A dark legacy" indeed, tRuth. Blair is one of the greatest traitors and war criminals in UK history, yet the late Queen Elizabeth awarded him with her highest honour, "The Order of the Garter".

Last year, I included a link to Alex Thomson's RAINS List reading with a great anti-genocide rant by Roger Waters, in a Substack:

https://grahamlyons.substack.com/p/time-to-be-spartacus?r=3echlt

tRuth's avatar

Ooo, thanks Graham. I'll read your SS article, be interesting to listen to Roger's rant too.

Seems crazy now, 1984, met Roger, (and Clapton) at an after gig party, on The Wall tour. What a night!

Savile had the same order. Always remember sitting watching, 'Jim'll Fix It' (Remember that one, Graham?), when my future husband said, "Watch his hands, he's certainly a pedo."

Always thought, even in my early teens, what a slime ball he appeared to be, but couldn't grasp how my bf, noticed the hands all over the young girl, sitting on his lap.

grahamlyons's avatar

Wow...you met Roger & Eric! Roger has been great in his support for the Palestinians and his condemnation of the evil Zionist State.

So Jimmy got "The Garter" too?! Shame on The Queen...again. I don't think we got "Jim'll Fix It" here in Oz. But we saw much of Rolf Harris in his early days...not that he was in the same league as Jimmy...although he did do bad things to girls sitting on his lap.

denise ward's avatar

Well, people keep on funding these twerps.

dave's avatar

They are self funding at this point

denise ward's avatar

No no that's a cop out. Are you still paying taxes? Still paying loans? You know the bankers don't work for 30 years to hand out those loans, like you do. You know the loans are already paid the minute you sign the loan docs? Paid by your "strawman" trust account.

dave's avatar

It not about getting money, it's about creating it at will through the printing press or I guess now, digital balance sheet

denise ward's avatar

It's disturbing to me that we've had oh how many decades now of having this information, eight? And we're still quoting the quote but saying nothing about how we go forward with this information.

Claudia's avatar

I am absolutely heartsick. There is such evil in this world. I will pray for the poor Amish who deserve to be protected, not poisoned.

Astragale's avatar

Of course that’s exactly what the “authorities” hate about the natural lives the Amish lead: the fact that they can’t be poisoned by the “authorities”!

Long may that last!

Defend the Amish!

denise ward's avatar

Praying won't help I can guarantee. What would you be prepared to do to help them? What about going there and making a human chain around them?

Perry Simms's avatar

That is a super useful bacillus though. Individual property owners should not be forbidden from spraying it on their own property.

denise ward's avatar

What they spray on "their property" goes into the air and into the water. That means it impacts other people, animals, insects, microbes.

Morris's avatar

You have no idea how serious I am when I told you earlier that sarcasm can easily be all I have left. I'll stop to explain just a little at this point. In recent years I have lost the two dearest people I have ever known in this world. They were Amish-Mennonites. Yes, there is such. Mary died of Parkinson's disease in recent years. Her husband, Paul, was always known for having the earliest and most healthy stand of corn in middle TN every year. I'll not share their last name but it would be easy to guess. The first thing I did when I got the news of Mary's condition was to drop a note mentioning Paraquat, a chemical that causes Parkinson's, which in my spirit I instantly knew had a connection. I milked with Paul and the family over a hundred head of Holsteins for about a year. This was while I waited for a different state, namely AL, to release two of my children because they had kidnapped them over homeschooling and close friendships with the "cultic" Amish-Mennonites! It's a long and detailed story which all of America would be ashamed of if they could only understand it the way I would tell it. For instance. In my elderly Dad's front yard is a flag pole with the stars and stripes flying, right now, even as I type. There's a little soldier at the foot of that flag pole that my sister gave him as a gift, I think. My sister's husband is a Green Beret Soldier, yeah, the one who got "silver wings on my son's chest", as in the song. I was always taught to fear the dreaded Communist because they were so evil they would turn in their own family. Guess who turned me in" for homeschooling?! It wasn't the Russians or the Germans. I actually worked with the Germans and rubbed shoulders with Werner von Braun and they never did to me what my own American system did. Time for sarcasm. People are getting what they asked for. You will be hard pressed to love the Amish more than I do. We stitched each other up, sweated on each other, and drank raw milk squirted straight from the teat together. Satan has to take them out, anyway he can! The rest have already been taken care of for the most part. That's why they shuttered their churches and took the jabs. Love and peace, Morris

Perry Simms's avatar

Thanks for the story. I can’t say I share your conviction about the cause of Mary’s parkinsons. Can have multiple causes. Did she take the covid gene-jabs?

Olde school's avatar

Well that’s because you don’t have the ability to reason and understand cause and effect relationships. You’ve had to many boosters and mask wearing is causing reduced oxygen saturation and increased acid base shift due to your co2 retention

Keep following the malthusians

mejbcart's avatar

Thank You for this extremely important work for the Amish people!!!

Only one more thought about:

"Standard real-time RT-PCR assays used at hospitals, commercial labs, and most state public health laboratories cannot distinguish MMR vaccine strain from wild-type measles infection. Both trigger a positive result on the same test."

given the level of technology in todays bio-related sciences, the onslaught of all gene related concoctions, it seems like it is INTENTIONAL DESIGN of the PCR tests for vir-al diseases, so that any measles case will always be official measles case and never vaccine related issue.

EXACTLY THE SAME was done with covid in order to cover up for the gene therapy injuries and DEATHS!

It is an intentional strategy in order to exterminate as many HUMANS as possible!!!

Btw, aerial sprayings are equally performed in California these days, in extremely dried out summer!!!

Astragale's avatar

Sayer Ji, you are a hero.

And the exact opposite of a misinformation spreader!

What a weird world where those who have power tell HUGE lies while accusing the truth-tellers of lying.

It was ever thus, I guess.

But MILLIONS of us see through the villains these days.

denise ward's avatar

The real crime is relinquishing one's sovereignty. Wanting a master means you relinquish sovereignty and thereby set the first stage of the loop you get yourself into. We can get out of the loop merely by reclaiming our sovereignty. No human is capable of being responsible for other humans especially a lot of humans. The entire premise is preposterous. But if a vast majority go along with it, then it becomes the reality we all have to deal with.

ab's avatar
Sep 2Edited

Reverse engineering from a primary 'outcome' (highest percentage of cohorts injected as can be achieved)

PCR is a tool (prop) deployed as a means to the end (objective)

PCR 'results' 'cycles' 'primers' etc are moot in a closed input --> process --> output control loop

Use of props are subordinate to fabricating a narrative, which is everything (PCR 'results' are nothing)

mejbcart's avatar

that makes one wonder, how on earth such a super brain like Kary Mullis dies of pneumonia (!!) at age of 74 in 2019, right on time, BEFORE covid PCR tests invasion.

Astragale's avatar

Quite agree.

It’s said his death was natural but the timing is so suspicious.

Collins & Fauci never would have got away with the mass testing or the ‘cases’ propaganda if Mullis was around.

The timing of his death is one of those red flags like Gates investing in BioNTech a few months before the plandemic & France banning HCQ a few weeks before. The red flags that screamed PLANDEMIC.

denise ward's avatar

Come on people, surely we are all familiar with their tactics by now. Anything they say cannot be taken as truth. Even listening to these bozos means we think there is a semblance of worthiness in what they have to say. How about we simply talk about what we want, what kind of world we want rather than the hellhole they want us talking about. "I create what I speak" is the language of the realm.

denise ward's avatar

And we have no strategy. Great *not*

longletters's avatar

Are they trying to destroy a control set? I don't mean destroy the people, I mean make them unusable as controls.

Astragale's avatar

Well, yes - they fear a healthy control group.

Just imagine if ever there were a clear, honest comparison of all the injected, doped-up kids with the drug-free Amish kids.

If it showed unarguably better health in the kids who had no Pharma junk, that would be pretty much the end of the Pharma crime syndicate.

longletters's avatar

Someone should be doing counter outreach to the Amish. They will have to go physically, since we cannot hope for them to just hear about things through social media.

denise ward's avatar

We all need to be involved in this in high numbers. I'm preparing to go stand with them if it comes to that.

Sandy K's avatar

Neither have the children been dumbed down and indoctrinated by the American education system....

Perry Simms's avatar

Seperation of school and state.

Seperation of medicine and state.

Seperation of crop growing and state.

denise ward's avatar

How about this - absence of state interference. The state is there to keep our air, water and soil clean but they don't do that. So why are people still paying them?

denise ward's avatar

Yes. They are scared of the stats coming out about autism and chronic disease amongst the Amish. Apparently the Amish don't suffer from Lyme disease. Which actually infers that Lyme is not from tics.

Ionedery2's avatar

You're so careful to give accurate and well documented evidence in your incredible article Sayer. I'm so impressed with your diligent writing and how you've risen above the attempts to break you. Nobody else has such a background and such a gift to give. I saw you speak on VSRF with Steve Kirsch and kept thinking what a remarkable and amazing person you've become.

You were an inspiration to me during covid, speaking truth during the craziness. I think you're changing the world for the better and I'm truly grateful.

Sayer Ji's avatar

Thank you so kindly! Comments like this keep me going.

denise ward's avatar

I'm very discerning about whom I read Sayer and reading your work is high on my schedule.

Glenn Speth's avatar

Criminal

Sorry to say, this reminds me of the slaughter of the innocents .

Lawyers need to get involved and charges made against these sociopathic pseudoscience Pennsylvania government officials immediately .

The Amish need to lawyer up or else they will be greatly harmed .

🙏🏽🙏🏽✝️

dave's avatar

Most of them don't believe in lawyering up and fighting.

Perry Simms's avatar

I believe the right to bear arms includes shoulder-fired surface to air missiles.

dave's avatar

From a historical study of weapons and political dynamics, Quigley concludes that the characteristics of weapons are the main predictor of democracy. Democracy tends to emerge only when the best weapons available are easy for individuals to buy and use This explains why democracy occurs so rarely in human history.

wikipedia, carroll quigley

Perry Simms's avatar

Never heard of that one! Thanks! Here in .pdf https://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Weapons%20Systems%20and%20Political%20Stability.pdf

As a student of libertarianism i'd be curious to see the relationship with individual liberty, or prosperity rather than the idol of democracy.

dave's avatar

Thanks. I like Quigley and am waiting for the great solar flare to wipe out civilization so that I have enough time to read everything.

You should read https://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/the_anglo-american_establishment.pdf

And by you, I mean everyone.

Perry Simms's avatar

And they shouldn’t stop with Quigley by imagining that he has plumbed the depths of conspiratorial networks of power.

denise ward's avatar

It doesn't matter who wrote it, using guns has proven to not work. Because here we are now and that strategy has been used for centuries. It led us to where we are now. Know why? Because using such crude methods means we get mushy in the head, in the intelligence factor. When violence can always be neutralized if we use our noggins.

dave's avatar

It is a literal religion. In their (Fabian's) own words, "This will ultimately "be a world religion." "

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"Their influence has been so extensive that if you attempt a philosophical, political or theological discussion today, with virtually any person on the planet, you will quickly discover that the other person’s ideas will be entirely grounded in Gnostic mythology. Modernity has become the most successful Gnostic myth in history."

https://orthodoxreflections.com/gnosticism-is-the-root-of-modernity/

Voegelin called Communism gnosticism (Science, Politics & Gnosticism). Shaw said that Lenin told him that communism (as we know it in the world today) is really Fabianism. This is a biblical religious, ideological, war.

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Voegelin dedicated his life to the study of widespread political violence and the devastation that results when totalitarian ideologies that closely resemble religions foster the notion that pursuing the creation of utopias on Earth is achievable and worth any cost, including death.

https://faculty.lsu.edu/voegelin/index.php

denise ward's avatar

Oh you suggest more "pew-pew" huh? Well I don't think that will work against what The Diabolicals have got now. Get with the times friend.

denise ward's avatar

Lawyers are instruments of the Crown. No they won't help. The courts are as corrupt as the pharma companies. We need other strategies here.

richard noakes's avatar

MMR - DNA from Aborted Fetal Tissue in the Measles Vaccine

Billions of fragments, in fact

Aaron Siri Aug 27

Robert F. Kennedy Jr

At his press conference today, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro accused me of promoting conspiracy theories because I told him, during an earlier telephone conversation, that some Americans had religious objections to the MMR vaccine because it contained fetal tissue. “There is

RFK Jr. is correct. The fact is, there are billions of fragments of human cellular debris and DNA from the cultured cell line of an aborted fetus in every injected dose of MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), chicken pox, and hepatitis A vaccines.

Because viruses multiply in cells, living cells are used to grow viruses for vaccine production, including the cultured cell lines of aborted fetuses. Two such cell lines are MRC-5 and WI-38, which are described by a company that sells them as follows:

The MRC-5 cell line was derived from normal lung tissue of a 14-week-old male embryo…

and

WI-38 cell line is the first human diploid cell line to be used in human vaccine preparation … [and was] isolated from the lung tissue of a 3-month-old, female, embryo.

The ingredients of chickenpox, rubella, and hepatitis A vaccines each include cellular and DNA pieces from these fetal cell lines. According to the CDC’s Vaccine Excipient Table, Varivax (chickenpox) includes “MRC-5 human diploid cells including DNA & protein,” M-M-R II (which includes rubella) includes “WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts,” and Havrix (hepatitis A) includes “MRC-5 cellular proteins.”

As for the quantity of human DNA in each vial, for Varivax, as the FDA explains: “human MRC-5 cells are the substrate upon which the Oka strain of varicella is grown. In the process of isolating virus from these cells, MRC-5 derived proteins and DNA are also obtained. The nearly 2 ug [2,000 nanograms] of unmodified mammalian DNA present in each dose of VARIVAX…”

As for MMR-II, as RFK Jr. pointed out in his post above, during Dr. Stanley Plotkin’s deposition, I asked: “Isn't it true that MMR II contains approximately 150 nanograms cells substrate double-strand DNA and single-strand DNA per dose purposefully fragmented to approximately 215 base pairs in length?” Dr. Plotkin answered: “Yeah, that's probably correct, yes.” See Table 3 of this study, reflecting an average of 142 nanograms of single-stranded DNA and 35 nanograms of double-stranded DNA in the rubella vaccine component of each dose of M-M-R II; and an average of 276 nanograms of single-stranded DNA and 35.74 nanograms of double-stranded DNA in each dose of Havrix).

For DNA remaining in the final formulation, assuming pharma companies follow FDA’s guidance, they would fragment “the DNA size to below approximately 200 base pairs.” Doing the math, supposing only 100 nanograms of double-stranded DNA remain, and are broken down into 200 base pair fragments, this equals approximately 463 billion pieces of human DNA from an aborted fetal cell line in each vaccine dose; double that number for single-stranded DNA. See also https://thehighwire.com/ark-videos/aborted-fetal-tissue-in-vaccines/.

Informed w/ Aaron Siri:

Perry Simms's avatar

A cultured cell line from an aborted fetus is not an aborted fetus.

Olde school's avatar

You are indeed receiving aborted fetus

richard noakes's avatar

Not me - I'm far too old and I refused vaccination these past 38 years.

Lynn's avatar

I just called US Senator David McCormick's office DC office. Everybody needs to bombard his office with calls to SAVE THE AMISH. This is catastrophic.

Gringo's avatar

Right-to-Know Law requests being filed! Chemicle Warfare on the citizens of Lebanon County, PA. At least its not 2,3,7,8-Tetrachlorodibenzo-P-dioxin.

Elusive1's avatar

This is an outrage! Ughhhhh

Here in Indiana I am chemtrailed almost daily, so I get about being poisoned.

Thank you

_Jim's avatar

YET, never an "accident" involving ANY aircraft and (surely very deadly and toxic) chem fluids during trucking said fluids to airports nor any accidents involving chem fluids loading aircraft at crowded, busy commercial airports across the country nor ANY contamination at an aircraft crash site by fluids on board a crashed aircraft ... I could go on.

Ever use FlightRadar24 to observe the (commercial) flight number (and aircraft type number) of those aircraft flying overhead above you and leaving a contrail? Of course not ... it would disabuse you quickly of these silly con-trail fabulations and fallacious constructions toot sweet.

Paul Jensen's avatar

"Chemtrails" are simply persistent contrails. Contrails can only persist in the presence of fine particles that act as nuclei for the water vapor to freeze on and not evaporate. "Chemtrail" planes are not spraying fluids. They are disbursing fine metallic particles behind the jet engine exhaust plume to cause the naturally occurring contrail to freeze and persist and form into an artificial cirrus cloud. It is an intentional act and only the government knows what their purpose is. We can only speculate as to why they are doing it. Regardless, this geo engineering act is contaminating the air we breathe and the soil and water ways and needs to stop.

Perry Simms's avatar

Loading up a commercial jet engine tank with metals would break the engine and make commercial flight unviable.

Olde school's avatar

Nobody is saying that’s the methodology

Perry Simms's avatar

1st off: lie. That’s the core chemtrail claim i’ve seen for 20+ years. 2nd: learn the difference between method and methodology. You misused “methdology” to try to appear smart, which backfired spectacularly.

Paul Jensen's avatar

Where did you get the idea that metal particles were added to the fuel? The particles can be dispersed in other ways. Unless you dispute scientific fact, these fine particles must be present in order for jet contrails to persist. The particles act as seed nuclei for water vapor to crystalize on and turn into ice. Absence of these particles then the contrail will dissipate. Only the people doing the geo-engineering will be able to tell you the exact mechanism by which they achieve this goal.

Olde school's avatar

They do it mostly via drones

Perry Simms's avatar

Did this register with you? Also the chemtrailers claim that metals are being added to jet fuel. Did that escape your notice as well?

Perry Simms's avatar

All avgas leaves particles behind. Hydrocarbons.

denise ward's avatar

Can you cite sources for this?

_Jim's avatar

Look up YT content producer and jet aircraft engine mechanic "AgentJayZ" on Youtube ... he has many instructional videos and tests of jet engines on his channel and he discusses all manner of issues that arise when these engines are mistreated, like foul compounds introduced in the fuel and ingesting any kind of debris outside of just plain old 'air' ...

Paul Jensen's avatar

Don't bother corresponding with gaslighting shill bots. Yes, there is a top secret global initiative to create artificial cirrus clouds all over the world, aka geo-engineering. Only they know why they are doing it and we can only speculate as to why and it's best not to waste energy speculating the why's and how's. All we need to know is they ARE doing it and no one can stop them.

_Jim's avatar

A poor specimen for displaying rational, logical thought in a discussion involving aviation, aircraft, weather, meteorology, rather, making claims about invisible 'bogey' men performing an assault daily on the upper troposphere with 'plumes' of contrails emanating from commercial aircraft performing scheduled flights whose point of origination is known, whose flight paths can be seen on FlightRadar24, and whose point of destination is also known. Such intrigue!

Perry Simms's avatar

I studied how jet engines work.

Introducing metal particulates into commercial jet fuel would cause catastrophic engine failure and is technically impossible to sustain due to immediate mechanical and thermal damage.

The additives would clog fuel filters and injectors, causing fuel starvation, while hard particles would erode and abrade critical components like fuel pumps and turbine blades.

Inside the combustion chamber, extreme temperatures (1,600–2,200 K) would cause these metals to melt, sinter, or oxidize into dense slag and oxides (such as alumina or barium oxide).

These residues would deposit on combustor liners and turbine vanes, blocking internal cooling holes and creating hot spots that lead to rapid structural failure.

Even minute quantities of such contaminants degrade thermal stability and promote gum formation, destroying the engine. These are VERY finely tuned, highly optimized machines.

_Jim's avatar

Quite right, however, your words, however, fall on the deaf ears of The True Believers (tm) who need _no_ knowledge of physics, chemistry, meteorology to swallow w/o proof (or proofs) that which the rationale and functional minded among the engineers, scientists and actual pilots reading here understand and work with on a daily basis. The True Believers (tm) exist mentally at a functional level of under 5 years of age. Facts don't matter, verifiable science is irrelevant, FlightRada24 (showing aircraft overhead) is a web/internet fiction and you and I are 'plants' sent here to defend the indefensible. #Pureblood here BTW as I would think you are too. Fauci is not, was not and never will be 'the science'. Pax.

Cranky Old Woman's avatar

Do you really think info about any accidents would be released to the public? I don't.

Michael P's avatar

You can't explain it can you? Why?

denise ward's avatar

You need to listen to Kat from Mellow Kat. She pursues the pilots the gutsy woman that she is. https://mellowkat.substack.com/p/i-finally-confront-the-pilots-who

So how do you feel about fluoride? You think it is good for the teeth?

And how about vaccines?

Perry Simms's avatar

Kat documented actual spraying, not imagined passenger airliner chemtrails.

If someone sprays on their own land that's their choice. If the government sprays *anything* for the "public good", that's to be STOPPED.

Perry Simms's avatar

Fluoride is fine if you choose to put it on your teeth, not fine if some government forces us to ingest it in our drinking water.

Vaccines can in theory help train an immune system but there was never a need for them, and the documented malfeasance in their production and harms in the population are very well documented. Del Bigtree's 2025 documentary, "An Inconvenient Study", is damning evidence against the childhood vaccine schedule.

The key is *choice*. Let people make their own choices about their health and their children's health, and live or die with the consequences.

Bob Murphy's book "Choice" is pretty good on this topic!

Cheers!

Michael P's avatar

Yes, ditto here 15 miles west of Chicago, they hit us hard yesterday with all day chemtrails into the evening.

_Jim's avatar

Atmospheric effects; Higher dew-points / relative humidity at altitudes jets fly at, and, IF you remember your chemistry the products of combustion with a hydrocarbon fuel is Carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O). At altitude the water vapor condenses 'out' of the air and becomes visible, LIKE cloud particles / liquid water (and sometimes ice particles at higher altitudes.) See a typical dew-point (relative humidity) temperature chart versus height here over Illinois this morning: https://weather.rap.ucar.edu/upper/displayUpper.php?img=KILX.png&endDate=-1&endTime=-1&duration=0

Piston-powered high-flying aircraft in WW2 (World War 2) also produced contrails. No one (apparently) knows this.

Elusive1's avatar

Get some info, knowledge!

We're discussing chemtrails, those lines in the sky that start to spread leaving the sky a muted chalky white, NOT contrails.

Dane Wigington lists all the metals found during capture of these substances, barium, strontium, I forget the rest but there are a bunch ....I listed the website below.

FALLING down upon us, our children, our pets, our wildlife, crops, land where our food is grown, where our cows, etc... graze, our forests.

THIS is killing trees, big strong otherwise healthy ones as they take it all in .... Animals are going extinct, bees and their colonies are affected, etc. Etc

Watch the documentary The Dimming at geoengineeringwatch.org

_Jim's avatar
Sep 3Edited

It would appear labeling someone a functional idiot 'bins the comment' right quick ... this comment is to verify that action. (Well, it did not bin.)

re: "Watch the documentary "

Can you tell me where it is that I am wrong? Why do point at a video? Did my use of the terms, hydrocarbon fuel, Carbon dioxide (CO2), water vapor (H2O), dew point, vapor condensing out confuse you, or obfuscate the issue?

Does the video you sight understand the physics (and chemistry) behind the combustion of a hydrocarbon fuel which then results in carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O)?

Have you ever seen your exhaled breath on a very cold morning? Yes/no?

_Jim's avatar

I would suggest, kindly, you are next to being qualified as a functional idiot. You have been mislead by those who have conned you and your kind into beliefs quite beyond your capability of understanding. I might was well try and teach a dog the fundamentals of quantum, I would achieve as must progress.

I would expect none of you know any pilots, meteorologists, physicists, engineers, aviation mechanics or any one with an A&P (aircraft and power-plant) license - any one of the foregoing could explain where it is your beliefs are wrong headed, fallacious, based on the misguided rantings of folks quite deluded in their beliefs as well. None of what you or your deluded 'influencers' could stand up to close examination of actual facts.

Michael P's avatar

Flight Radar 24 proves you wrong. Multiple jets flying at like altitude at same time but only a few discharging. Explain this to me.

_Jim's avatar

I posted an example of a chart showing altitude versus dew point (relative humidity as lay persons call it) to a responder above.

Did you notice the dew point can vary with altitude? Are you aware of that?

When clouds form, DO they occupy the sky from ground level up to way 30 thousand feet? OR do they occupy an area from say a few thousand feet to say 5 thousand feet? Have you ever flown on a jet and observed clouds? Did you notice clouds occupy what looks like distinct layers? HAVE you ever wondered why that is? It is because the RH (dew point) varies as the altitude changes ... balloons sent up by the weather bureau (NOAA / NWS in the US) twice a day measure this with instrumentation attached to the balloon. These as a set are called radiosondes.

Click on a three-letter site identifier on this map below to see those plots twice daily: https://weather.rap.ucar.edu/upper/displayUpper.php?img=KFWD.png&endDate=-1&endTime=-1&duration=0

Michael P's avatar

Jim still has NOT explained why many planes at same altitude in same airspace do not leave the trails. The reason is he can't.

He seems to be focused on plausible deniability. Is that you motive?

_Jim's avatar

re: " at same altitude "

They are NOT at the same altitude. Do you understand aircraft are assigned different altitudes or 'flight levels' to avoid collisions? Your uncalibrated Mark I eyeball cannot distinguish 2,000 or 3,000 feet difference in altitude, this is where the website FlightRadar24 comes in handy.

And again, go to that edu link above and LOOK at different charts and NOTE the dew point varies with altitude and location, and from day to day.

I do not think you are a very bright individual at this point. You certainly believe you have a grasp of atmospheric physics and meteorology when clearly you do not. A couple of gentleman named Dunning and Kruger did a study on self-assessment when it comes to thinking how smart individuals 'think' they are; the dumber people always rated themselves a lot higher IQ than than their actual, measured IQs showed.

Perry Simms's avatar

You explain how all verifiable planes that spray have obvious and clear apparatus for the purpose, but passenger planes flying everywhere have none-such yet produce 'chemtrails'.

It's a stupid delusion, for stupid people, which flood the earth.

Elusive1's avatar

🎯

Spraying (and it's dispersing) as I type. On and on and on

denise ward's avatar

Ah the hint is in the term "verifiable". You think these dumps are documented?

Perry Simms's avatar

It's the magical thinking of the stupid, which imagine that passenger aircraft magically can load, bear, and distribute mass quantities of chemicals without the physical means to do-so.

Nobody who understands physics, chemistry, or even aviation believes such fairy tales.

denise ward's avatar

So to what do you attribute the scars in the sky? Surely you know the difference between contrails and persistent scarring in the skies? Or are you like the government that cannot discern between THC and CBD?

Perry Simms's avatar

"Scars" is emotional language for girls. They're contrails.

denise ward's avatar

What are you, a robot? Do you not have emotions? Scars means they are raping the skies now as well as the earth. But it's ok, it's just natural from planes right? Imagine if cars left those trails. I guess technology has gone way backwards for planes to leave effluent that covers the sky.

Elusive1's avatar

This isn't a word game!

Scars, etc... Chemtrails/contrails.

They're poisoning us and our planet. How could you b so blind??

Elusive1's avatar

I wanted to see the lunar eclipse a few days ago. No way, no how! I call this new sky color, chalky white.

Absolutely ridiculous! Bastards!!

(I have family thereabouts)

Dawn's avatar

Omg…I invite these poor people to come live with me…this is absolutely DISGUSTING. This Governor & cohorts must be impeached!

KoalaPower's avatar

This is the worst news today, so tragic. These poor innocent people. This has to be the work of the Eugenics mob, is Bill Gates funding it? He wants them dead and their land, while making money from his poisons. It also must not be a coincendence that it follows after Trump stating about how healthy the Amish are because they don't use the poisons.

dave's avatar

It's not just one person, it's an entire culture.

https://daddydragon.co.uk/2020/05/24/the-fabian-society-the-masters-of-subversion-unmasked/

https://www.malone.news/p/the-fabian-society

Ray Kurzweil of Google wrote the book "The Age of Spritual Machines" that promises immortality through technology. I think if you are uber wealthy, have all the money in the world and are facing your own mortality and believe in Ray, you would push for it.

Chris's avatar

Why do you believe in Ray?

dave's avatar

Who says I do? I designed logic for computer chips for decades and have singlestepped though millions of lines of code and digital waveforms and think (more like know) it's BS.

See the chinese room. And I know how neural networks operate.

This doesn't mean that some trillionaires out there think it's true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUE3FSIk46g

KoalaPower's avatar

Yes The Cabal/Illuminati/Deep State

tRuth's avatar

The point about Trump, is seriously concerning; deflection maybe.

Jayne Doe's avatar

they are spraying shit over everybody.

duh.

Perry Simms's avatar

'Duh' explains your grades in science.

denise ward's avatar

So how do you feel about vaccines? Think the government is doing all this because they love us?

Perry Simms's avatar

As I've said before, the deaths/100,000 of these diseases before vaccines never justified a forced medical intervention.

I expect that we agree to not believe the government and to resist their idiotic mandates without fighting about the science behind them.

Barbara Charis's avatar

Thanks for this enlightening information. It shows the tyrannical criminal minds of those running Pennsylvania. No real concern for the people or the environment....The monied interests, which benefit them come first. Their horrendous actions show they will destroy anything that gets in the way of their desire for total control